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The slavery comes with not being paid in proportion to the value provided.

You could enforce this by making a farday cage out of the building. I looked into this for an irrational (5G is government poison) family member. I wasn't going to debate how RF works, just buy some points by helping her indulge her fantasy. But actual RF blocking copper mesh material is very expensive. I wonder if this could be done via wallpaper and printing using a conductive ink printed on the same pattern?

Linus Tech Tips made a Faraday cage out of an employee's house using graphite-based EMF-blocking paint. MMS messages with images couldn't be sent from within the house, although text messages and phone calls went through. They didn't do anything to treat the windows, though, so maybe if you combine the paint with some sort of fine wire mesh over the windows you'd get a more comprehensive blocking effect.

At $200/gallon, the cost of the paint would also be a major consideration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5BOFsiDpYQ


For those near the SF Bay Area, the De Young Museum in Golden Gate Park, with its copper-cladded exterior, is an excellent instance of this.

I suspect that the effect was unintentional, but (at least until internal WiFi access was provided) the consequences were delightful.

Any metallic grid should attenuate signals effectively. Old-school lathe-and-plaster construction (which often incorporates a wire mesh) is well-known WiFi / cellular poison:

<https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-get-a-wifi-signal-...>


You really don't need a full on faraday cage. Signals in the phone frequency range are pretty poor at penetration, especially brick or concrete. I once lived in a house with lath and plaster walls, and I had to leave the office door open to even get wifi in there.

Perhaps some well placed metallic material on or near the windows would suffice?


>I wonder if this could be done via wallpaper and printing using a conductive ink printed on the same pattern?

AFAIK they have to be grounded so it'll be a massive pain to install, even if you can get it printed.


Last I checked there was no consensus on whether or not a Faraday cage needed to be grounded to function properly, which seemed surprising.

A large cage probably doesn’t need to be grounded to prevent a relatively weak signal from escaping, as attenuation would be high due to the amount of material involved. Smaller cages may radiate the signal after some attenuation.

Edit: reading some more about it, cages that are close to the radiating element may experience capacitive coupling, and this is what can cause an ungrounded cage to serve as an antenna. A larger cage, with the radiating element farther away from the cage, is less likely to experience this. In either case grounding should reduce this risk.


Well, what does it mean to be "grounded". There isn't something special about the voltage potential of Earth.

If a Faraday cage blocks interstellar signals only if one part of it is stuck in a ball of mud and rock... well, I have some questions.

There is the possibility of the ground being a return path to the transmitter, but if that were effective, radio infrastructure would interfere world-wide, and you could transmit through the earth's core. And even that argument would suggest that the Faraday cage should be floating, not grounded.


Just a typical metal mesh building material can do it. My friend has a house with an accidental Faraday cage like that. 0 bars unless you're near a window, 90% packet loss if you're near a window but not sticking the phone outside. Wifi only works if you're LOS to the access point.

Just run a jammer - much easier and just as illegal - although if you use a busted microwave from the 80s it gives you good plausible deniability.

Faraday cages are passive and not illegal. Jamming is.

>although if you use a busted microwave from the 80s it gives you good plausible deniability.

Not every radio runs off 2.4G, the frequency that microwaves would affect. Even for wifi there's 5ghz and 6ghz bands. For cellphones there are far more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G_NR_frequency_bands


"just"

SImilar, except their belief is part of a illness that's some kind of dementia. It went further into all kinds of radiations, including things that are meaningless, like the 911 frequency.

It degraded slowly over a decade. It's "stabilized" but just a bunch of word salad.


I'm so frustrated with her. she believes any health conditions are either a result of RF emanation or "the jab. Her brain is completely unaccountable for illnesses incurred by those before RF or vaccines. It's infuriating, but telling her she's wrong won't help. It reminds me of the advice to never tell a paranoid schizophrenic they are delusional. It just makes you part of their opposition.

My hope is that this will show weaknesses in our supposed "checks and balances" that can be patched later. If that means it takes an act of congress to even fire a single military weapon, so be it. That's just one example, but basically "they" need to backtrack and find every "hack" trump used and plug it so this never happens again.

Checks and balances mean nothing when the same party controls house, senate, president, and supreme court.

I disagree. Plenty of republicans are vociferously disagreeing with Trump over Iran and Epstein. But even if your premise is true, what if the two-party system were constructed or manipulated by a foreign government with the express intent on dividing us? Maybe that should be addressed as well?

> Plenty of republicans are vociferously disagreeing with Trump over Iran and Epstein.

Until they have to take a meaningful vote. Because it’s bullshit.


And the military. Who the majority of soldiers supports matters a lot since they have the final say when leaders cannot agree. Trump does a lot to gain favor with the military, democrats doesn't do much for them.

What “checks and balances”?

The SCOTUS ruled that presidents cannot be held accountable.

The constitution is pretty clear. Trump does not have the authority to invade Iran. Yet he did. What are you planning to patch?

Despite everything, Trump has 35-40 percent approval right now. You cannot patch that out.


the ones that were printed in my middle school government McGraw Hill textbook...

“First, your return to shore was not part of our negotiations nor our agreement, so I must do nothing. And secondly, you must be a pirate for the Pirate's Code to apply, and you're not. And thirdly, the Code is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules.”

Turns out that last bit is how the US was setup. Oops.


Agreed, but the problem is that whichever party is in power wants to expand presidential authority, and only the minority party wants to reign it in. When the president flips, usually so do the parties in power. Plus you have to be enough majority to override a presidential veto. I don't see this ever workign out :-(

'Code is law' doesn't exclude quantum code.

What are they worried about? Someone taking the company's job? Hehe

Then I'm guessing you don't vote, right? Because one vote makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.

One vote does, unlikely to be yours though.

This is exactly what I do with telemarketer scammers. I have no limit of depravity that I draw from in attempt to offend them. No limits. And exactly for the reasons you describe. Get them to crack and quit the company.

> This is exactly what I do with telemarketer scammers. I have no limit of depravity that I draw from in attempt to offend them. No limits. And exactly for the reasons you describe. Get them to crack and quit the company.

Have you heard of pig butchering? Sometimes the "scammer" you're talking to is practically a slave that will be beaten if they don't hit their numbers: https://www.wired.com/story/the-red-bull-leaks/.

Immoral assholes can out-immoral you.


> Sometimes the "scammer" you're talking to is practically a slave that will be beaten if they don't hit their numbers:

Doing crime to save your own life does not excuse the crime.

They're attemtping to ruin someone else's life to save their own.


That seems like a problem for the telcos to resolve. I.e. don't allow calls from nations that do this.

>>> This is exactly what I do with telemarketer scammers. I have no limit of depravity that I draw from in attempt to offend them. No limits. And exactly for the reasons you describe. Get them to crack and quit the company.

>> Have you heard of pig butchering? Sometimes the "scammer" you're talking to is practically a slave that will be beaten if they don't hit their numbers: https://www.wired.com/story/the-red-bull-leaks/.

> That seems like a problem for the telcos to resolve. I.e. don't allow calls from nations that do this.

Yes, telcos have a problem to solve, but that's besides the point. It doesn't justify you being overconfident about who you're actually dealing with or an asshole to someone based on your overconfidence.

You imagine you're being an asshole to some criminal scammer, but you actually could further mistreating some poor soul who's been trafficked by the criminal scammer.

People who don't care about the possibility they're mistreating an innocent person are assholes.


> an innocent person

They are absolutely not innocent. They have agency!

They decided ruining other people's life is better than whatever the consequences are for themselves.

It's only normal that people they target retaliate.


Agency to do what? What are you suggesting they do to escape their captors and then survive in the foreign country they've been trafficked to? How will they protect their family back home from the revenge from the traffickers?

I don't care about pig butchers, if thats what you're asking. Your argument is a variant of "Look what you made them do". It's fallacious.

I remember reading a long time ago about why barns / shipping containers are dark red. and IIRC it's simply because it's a very similar tone to iron oxide and thus the dye was cheapest to produce.

Not quite right.

Iron oxide is anti-microbial. So a barn painted with it as a pigment will last longer vs mold and such.

It's also why large ships all have that red paint color below the waterline. In that case it's copper oxide, which helps slow barnacle growth and similar.

Back in the age of sail they even went as far as copper sheet cladding to make the wooden hulls last longer. Copper oxide pigment emerged toward the end of the age of sail / beginning of the steamship era as a more practical alternative.


I think a better analogy would be crack pipes sold in minimarts in a box that says "for tobacco use only". Crackheads estate sues the pipe mfr says you knew people were using it for crack and are proximately liable for facilitating the drug use.

I watched a drug addict lovingly turn a plain lightbulb into a meth pipe.

Sure, and aluminum foil can be used to smoke heroin. But they have primary obvious uses. That's the difference, vs knowing 99% of customers are going to use it for something nefarious. Even better example would be whippets or NOs meant for culinary or automotive use, but also usable for teens getting high. If manufacturers are aware and turn a blind eye, they can become liable.

..and any delivery, distributors, importers, and shippers should be held liable, also.

Trump is compromised by blackmail and we are fighting the war for Israel.

What could he possibly be blackmailed for at this point? There are zero consequences to anything he says or does.

child abuse

That evidence is already available. Nothing has changed.

Having proof on video of trump sexually assaulting a minor would still be significant, I think. Such footage probably exists and would make great leverage.

The Epstein files identify a pretty horrific incident involving Trump and a 14 year old girl, but it doesn't seem to have changed much so far. I suppose a video would be more compelling, but of course there'd be denials saying it was AI, etc.

I think that's their go to for damage control. I specifically remember in 2019 when Epstein was arrested, the MSM was running parallel stories talking about the rise of deep fakes. They were already setting the stage in case the kompromat was released. A few months ago with "Obama getting arrested" posted on Trump's account, I think this is a strategic reference to deep fakes. They'll say "that's not trump blowing Clinton, it's a deep fake like I posted of Obama, silly!"

There are written allegations, kind of a stretch to call it evidence. Blackmail is much more damning than a handwritten account.

Fair.

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