- 1 rocket scientist lost while hiking
- 1 astrophysicist killed at home by someone arrested a few months before at his home with a gun
- 1 physicist in another field killed without cause of death made public
- 1 engineer in instrumentation killed also without the cause made public
- 1 schizophrenic crank woman died by suicide
- 1 plasma and nuclear scientist killed at home by a jealous former classmate who went just after on a mass killings spree
- 1 pharmatical scientist found in a lake after missing
- 1 military executive who left with only his gun and disappeared
- 1 administrative employee walked from home and disappeared after leaving her car and personal phone behind
- 1 decade year old retiree from the same laboratory who did the same
- 1 property custodian from a totally different place also left with a gun and disappeared
The three companies mentioned have together maybe up to 50k employees (quick internet search, don't quote me on that). 11 of them (various roles, some out of the game for years) dying or going missing over many years in a country with a pretty high criminality and suicide rates rates doesn't sound very surprising.
annual suicide rate in the US is ~13 per 100k, murder is ~5 per 100k. so from a cohort of 50k people, we'd expect about 9 to die from one or the other per year. and these 11 deaths under investigation were over 4 years. so, yeah: my suspicion is that nothing special is happening here.
the big grain of salt: this doesn't take into account the differences in social and economic demographics of researchers and suicide + homicide victims. I'd suspect scientists skew wealthy and are less likely than average to be victims of suicide or homicide, but I don't know.
Out of 50k people? These specific of backgrounds and scenarios of their death/disappearence?
No. That is surprising. Any statistics you'd find about the rates of any one or more of these kinds of disappearances are going to be population level, averaged out over groups that are much higher risk and therefore skew the average rates to seem higher than their priors actually dictate for many sub populations, eg, working professionals at large corporations of this specific type.
Surprising != something actually being connected, but it sure as hell is surprising and isn't something to dismiss as "well, law of large numbers so ::shrug::"
I'm genuinely curious if you found any data to support it especially when you add JPL, Los Alamos National Laboratory, MIT, Caltech, and the Kansas City National Security Campus to the list, over four years.
And what puts an even bigger question mark on the whole thing is that the FBI embarked on this whole thing after being asked by members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform when they read about it in the newspaper. How critical are these people and how surprising their final fate if the US needs a tabloid to ring the alarm?
They’re also some of the most strategically valuable companies if you are say an evil country that wants to build long range nuclear missiles or advance your space programme.
There are others who say America is engaged in a secret war among themselves and ordinary peoples cannot even accept they are not alone in their own mind, let alone the voices in our heads are others trained in the occult arts of “thought control.”
And Americans are having sex with their own children and waging a rape war through Power. You only noticed something is off when something really weird happens. Which side are you on? The side of the deniers.
I also don't think there's anything to it, but do not forget that any serious state-level actor with the means and interest to remove such people also has the means and interest to cover it up. IIRC there are manuals how to drive somebody into a desperate situation so they don't see a way out (Stasi in GDR), or manipulate any of their acquaintances in a similar manner, and you have a huge amount of the weirdest drugs available to help with that.
It’s not aliens dood, it’s the voices in our heads.
You say “schizophrenic crank” like that isn’t the same thing as the voices in our heads murdering and suiciding among us.
The great big conspiratorial secret is that WE ARE NOT ALONE IN OUR OWN MINDS and a long standing community among us use the occult power of thought control to run a secret war for Power among us all.
And the aliens, while real, aren’t the problem and don’t have anything to do with it. I know, the really really strange part is that the aliens are the no big deal.
Americans Thought control and thought controlled Americans are waging a secret war among us THROUGH POWER! That means THE POWER TO TRAVEL THROUGHOUT OUR MINDS!
I know you’re not ready for this. It has to be said.
You could use this to train an AI to behave like a Meta-employee. Meta seems to like the behavior of Meta-employees, or it wouldn't have hired so many. It would just prefer to have more of this behavior for less, so they'll try to use clankers instead of employees to produce the key strokes and mouse clicks.
Do people honestly believe their current employers aren’t monitoring them right now?
Every employment contract I’ve signed has included language that makes it clear that whatever I do on corporate time, on the corporate net, on corporate devices, is corporate property. This is why I never mix corp and personal data on my phone or join my phone to their WiFi.
Is it just the AI training angle that makes this newsworthy?
The world of contracts is really interesting. Imagine a country Byteland that has a problem with alcoholism. Lots of people get too drunk and bother others. The parliament gathers and decides to issue a new law. First they try "it is illegal to bother other citizens in public" but the problem is, how do you legally define "to bother other citizens"? Then someone has a bright idea - make a law "it is illegal to be drunk in public". The idea is, only those who are annoying fucks will ever be checked, for obvious practical reasons. Everyone happy, the law passes. Citizens enjoy their beer, but they know that it they drink too much and start causing problems, they'll be arrested. One day a Sillycoin Valley startup comes up with great technology - a device that can pinpoint who exactly is drunk within two kilometers of range. Now suddenly lots of citizens who had just one beer and are minding their own business start getting fines.
The point I'm making is, there is a difference between what contract explicitly says, and what is implicitly understood due to practical limitations of the real world we live in. When the real world changes so does the effective implementation of contracts, even though the contracts themselves don't change. The problem is, by the time the world has changed against your favor, you might not have the power to demand an adjustment to the already signed contract.
That’s hardly a relevant scenario for any office worker who is issued a laptop, phone, desk and badge.
The equipment is worth thousands of dollars and the company has a fiduciary responsibility to track their assets. Of course they are going to install spyware on their equipment and make it crystal clear that the employee has no expectation of privacy while using it.
I assumed this happens on any employer machine anyway. If not specific mouse movement and keystrokes then file access and connected devices. I honestly don't understand the outrage.
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