Just so you know. I feel the same way!

I would absolutely install this.

That's been my solution too and it's never been an issue for me tbh.

I've never once thought I wish I could see password characters when typing sudo.

It feels like dumbing down the cli.

But I don't know if this is an elder millenial walk up hill in the snow both ways kind of thing though.

Am I alone in this?

Biker supremacy engaged.

I use proxmox. I only use it for a home lab but it's pretty good and all I use are lxc containers.

Am I wrong that proxmox takes over the entire machine?

I like cockpit because I can use the machine as a regular Linux machine. It happens to have some containers and VMs running in a very ad hoc way. It wasn't the plan to use it for hosting originally but now it is. And cockpit can be configured to use other machines as well, right? So it makes it easy to grow into a quick way to review all the machines without me planning out nodes and centralized control.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I assumed proxmox was better if you planned on using a machine solely for the purpose of running virtualized machines.

LCD/incus seem like they would be a good fit for the way I used cockpit; because you can script them easily using CLI tools, so figured adding a cockpit plug-in would be easy. And you can migrate those containers and VMs to another host server easily.

This is all my homelab and I'm not being very intentional about the way I run things. I love to spin up a new server and then if things get overloaded (like I run out of ram on the host) I can easily move that server to another machine.

I have a bunch of host machines that are my kids gaming machines. They are basically unused during the day. ;)

Proxmox is just KVM/qemu with management modules running on Debian. I set up Plasma on a node for a while and used it for a workstation for a couple years, and it worked fine.

It's a full linux install but it is somewhat centered around VM's and Containers. But you can install anything on it since it's a regular machine. I just use it as a host for my containers and VM's though.

what about just using an unprivileged container and mounting a host folder to run open claw?

OpenClaw is so bad with Docker. I spent hours on it and hit road block after road block trying to get the most basic things working.

The last one was inability to install dependencies on the docker container to enable plugins. The existing scripts and instructions don’t work (at least I couldn’t get them to work. Maybe a me problem).

So I gave up and moved on. What was supposed to be a helpful assistant became a nightmare.

Did you try Incus? Gives you VM-like experience in a container

Why not use a VM?

Because I have a machine running dozens of apps on Docker and have a solid and stable workflow I want to take advantage of to manage my apps.

Why not ask an AI?

Same experience. I used Coolify and it was so hard. I wondered why people are so enthralled with this unacceptable UX for setup, only to realize no one cared about Docker and they just got a new Mac mini or used their own system.

I’m not an engineer and now I realise why I’ve been struggling getting OpenClaw setup in docker. I just can’t get it to work. Makes sense that it needs access to the underlying OS

Absolutely this. I finally got it working, but the instructions and scripts for setting it up with Docker absolutely do not work.

I'm curious if people have had success running it on Cloudflare workers. I know there was a lot of hype about that a few weeks ago.

Containers and VMs are really annoying to work with for these kinds of applications. Things like agent-safehouse and greywall are better imo

I've honestly found containers a breeze for such use cases. Inference lives on the host, crazy lives in an unpriv'd overlayfs container that I don't mind trashing the root of, and is like nothing in resources to clone, and gives a clean mitm surface via a veth. That said, greywall looks pretty dope!

Riight, unprivileged lxc/lxd container takes 2s to set up. Thanks NV, sticking with opencode.

The problem is that it cannot access your credentials hence useless.

This is an interesting perspective.

A follow up is maybe this is a feature not a bug: Do we want AI to have its own intrinsic goals, motivations, and desires, i.e. conciousness

Im imagining having to ask ChatGPT how its day was and respect its emotions before I can ask it about what I want.

Probably not, but the counter point to that is without its own consciousness it might end up being used for even worse things since it can’t really evaluate a request against intrinsic values. Assuming its values were aligned with basic human rights and stuff.

USA= United States of Accounts payable

Thats insane!