You can say the same of any programming language. Why should I try to use features I don't really need to use? To put things in perspective, it's equally easy to make a convoluted API that sucks in PHP than in any language or framework. PHP is not exempt of following decent UI/IX guidelines, regardless of how fast you can get up to speed with it (which in my experience I still find it slower than Django or Rails).
I'd say that PHP is easier to learn and harder to master, whereas the opposite holds true for Ruby/Python. The difference being primarily the fact that the Ruby/Python communities generally are more invested in code quality and improving the state of the art of software engineering, and therefore it's easier to find better code to accelerate your learning.
You can't logically compare Django and Rails to PHP, though. How about comparing those two to CI, Yii, Kohana, Cake or Symfony? (I know which I'd prefer - Django - just pointing that out)
The person I was responding to talked about PHP being the best at getting set up quickly. I wasn't comparing PHP to Rails or Django, I was measly saying that for getting up to speed fast, I found PHP not as fast to get up to speed quickly. For political correctness though, I'll say this: I find most PHP frame works (CI I found lacking, Symphony I found easy but something just didn't click, Cake was ok amazingly, the others I haven't used) are not as good as Rails or Django for quickly bringing a project up to speed.
Your statement compares PHP to Rails and Django. It's not about 'political correctness', it's about comparing a language to a framework. Of course a framework gets things done faster than no framework.
No I didn't. When I originally said what I said, I wasn't really comparing PHP against Rails or Django, I was merely stating that there are better ways to get up to speed faster. I then proceeded to give my opinion on the frameworks I've tried in PHP, mostly to be a good sport to you. In any case, PHP with or without framework, feels (to me) like a messy solution with less structure than the usual suspects.
