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> But that also means you still see managers "a top" of engineers (a "better" job).

No. All that’s required is that 10-20% of individual contributors see it this way. They will start manoeuvring, “virtue signalling” their ignorance, effectively destroying the culture.

You don’t see it that way. I don’t see it that way. But they do. That’s enough unfortunately.

What you need to break this dynamic is that the opportunity to be a trainer (or at least coach) is a kind of reward for learning to play the game really well. I think that’s how it works e.g. in (European) football as well.



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