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Profit sharing only works if you stick around long enough.

In the service industry, and especially amongst young people, it's common to pick up a job like this for a few months and make some money, then move on to something else. And that's okay, not everyone wants to make a career out of making coffee. It's still a good formative experience to have, while earning some money, and there's no reason why you shouldn't do it right and get rewarded for it.

But profit sharing won't work for someone that is around for a summer. For instance that person could benefit from any upswing caused by previous employees, but if they don't add a positive contribution to the customer experience themselves, they won't be around for the long-term impact. And if you don't give them an incentive at all for the first few months, then you're back to square one. Or even worse: they could negatively impact the profit sharing of employees that have been around for the long run.

Ultimately, money is a motivator and pretending like it's not does not make tipping go away. The problem with tipping as I see it, is that it masquerades the real cost of doing business.



Then you are hiring the wrong people for the kind of coffee shop you claim to desire running. There are plenty of people who enjoy coffee enough to make a career out of it even if it's for a few years. You are pitching this evolved, pay every one a fair wage, this is a real place to work that's super cool, and then treating them like it's some chain. It's transparent. You don't expect them to work with you longer then a couple months. You want customers to track whether employees are doing good or not trying to create some BS KPIs or whatever and then use that to incentivize your employees. Everything you write in every one of your posts demonstrates that you seem to miss the entire point of a coffee shop. It should be a cool place to relax and read or work or meet friends while drinking coffee.


> In the service industry, and especially amongst young people, it's common to pick up a job like this for a few months and make some money, then move on to something else.

By making that assertion you're absolving yourself of responsibility and shifting the retention issue entirely to the employee. You're completely dismissing the possibility that your retention issue is due to a customer culture you fostered or created, a poor work environment due to a manager or toxic employee, the demands of the job vs compensation, or any other factor.

> Ultimately, money is a motivator and pretending like it's not does not make tipping go away.

Money is a motivator but not necessarily for the right reasons and it has diminishing returns. Tipping culture has evolved from a mechanism for customers to thank staff into a means for staff to make up for insufficient wages. They're effectively panhandlers.

If an employee relies upon a tip to makeup for wages, they aren't paid enough and are being exploited and abused.

Today, not tipping is a punitive measure that allows customers to diminish an employee or staff's wage at the customer's discretion and without any insight or feedback provided to the employer. People feel compelled to tip because they thing employees aren't paid enough, not because service was above expectations.


> People feel compelled to tip because they thing employees aren't paid enough, not because service was above expectations.

You had me until this point. No, this is some people’s belief, but not all. I certainly don’t think people are underpaid when I tip, it’s entirely based off service.


It's unfortunate that you're willing to dismiss everything I said because of a generalization that spoke in absolutes.

There will always be people who disagree, but if you're in the United States and believe that service workers are not underpaid then you either only patronize high end restaurants or are completely out of touch with the average American.


And yet you dismiss what I said and gave an option as to why it’s acceptable.

If you believe that a majority of food workers are underpaid, then I, as well as market research, disagree with you.


I didn't dismiss you and you didn't present any reason why it's acceptable. You simply stated that it was.

> ...then I, as well as market research...

Any what market research is that?


If you spend any, and I mean any, amount of time researching tipping you’ll find the market research. It’s proof you’ve done no research yourself just spouting personal beliefs as if everybody feels the same (this day and age of all).

Here you go: https://www.eater.com/21398973/restaurant-no-tipping-movemen...




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