If you believe that guy to be Christian, you might also believe a lot of other things. His answer to what he thinks about the bible and what his favourite quote is, was: "I don't want to go into the details."
The vast majority of American Christians, particularly Evangelicals, believe he's a Christian and overwhelmingly support him on that basis. Whether he is or not is irrelevant - he's clearly the man that American Christians want.
A lot of people calling themself Christian, can be in sects and I think that is the case in the USA. This has been the case a lot during history. Remarkably, during the big old concils determining the true faith, an overwhelming majority has been believing in the believes clarified as being wrong. Majority is simply not a concept to determine truth, and Christianity doesn't take it to be this way.
> he's clearly the man that American Christians want.
Maybe he is, maybe he is not. What people actually want, what they tell you they want and what the person wants they vote for can be three completely different things.
If your definition of "Christians" doesn't include hypocrites then there have never been Christians, and if it excludes millions of people who profess the faith then it isn't useful.
You seem to be implying that Trump supporters aren't "really" Christians, or even if they are maybe they didn't really vote for him? I don't know where the ambiguity you're trying to imply here actually exists in the real world.
Christians voted for him, said they voted for him, said they believed he was sent by God, and have vociferously and steadfastly supported him over three election cycles. Despite his infidelity, and his vice, and his corruption, and his pride, and his warmongering, and his sexual abuse and everything else about him.
At some point you have to open your eyes to what Christianity in America actually is.
The statement that there isn't really a true Christian besides Christ himself isn't really new and I think accepted by most. :-)
> You seem to be implying that Trump supporters aren't "really" Christians
No, I didn't meant that, I was initially only talking about Trump. I think it necessary for them to think of themself as Christian, and they need to at least try to act as that to some reasonable level. My issue was that to me it seams like Trump doesn't even try. His ramblings violate charity in fundamental ways and he doesn't try to cover that.
> Christians voted for him
Fine.
> said they voted for him
Did they vote for a story he told them, or did they vote for what he actually does. This doesn't absolve them of their responsibility, they still voted for a liar in this case, but it does matter how much they will object and how likely they are to vote differently.
> they believed he was sent by God
That violates teachings of Christianity in a fundamental way. If it didn't, every Moslem would be called a Christian. There is no revelation after Jesus Christ.
> what Christianity in America actually is.
I think there aren't only Evangelicals in America, there is some important guy coming from there, I think he called himself after a lion or something.
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> he's clearly the man that American Christians want.
You should read up on what happened when the "German Christians" got what they "wanted".
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> I don't know where the ambiguity you're trying to imply here actually exists in the real world.
What I want to counter is a comment like, "see what the Christians want!". You wouldn't allow to call someone "anti-slavery" that promotes slavery, simply because he tells you to call him that. Neither would you then counter with "see what that "anti-slavery" guy wants?", therefore I am against "anti-slavery".
