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China took over exports and manufactoring capacity 5 fold of what germany was doing in core industries: manufacturing, machine building and chemicals.

Its not just innovation, we missed and our stubbornes of just keep doing what we good at, its also china catching up and steam rolling us.

When I bought an EV, people around me told me the same thing and still do: they like the sound of engines, these EVs are not suitable for daily use, EVs will burn down, we hate renewable, we hate cables, we hate...

To match china, we would not only need to work a lot more, we would also need to work on saturdays, break a lot of labor laws we build up, reduce salary despite working more, reduce energy costs massivly and automate as much as possible.

A nitting machine from germany costs 60k. In china, with the same quality (because they catched up) is 20k. 20k!

And were i'm from (bavaria) most young man want to become Mechanical engineers because of BMW and co. No one wants to do IT (lets ignore the AI elephant in the room).

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China buys the bulk of its precision machining capacity from Germany, Japan and Italy. Domestic designs are not up to snuff.

And thats no longer true.

There was an interview from a chines manufacturer and he said "5 years ago every machine was from europe, now all machines are from china".


Theyre rapidly moving up that value chain.

They do, since 1980. Still not there though.

Copy the model of ASML. Build something really complicated that no one else can easily copy.

China is copying them though. They are still behind, but they are catching up.

> China is copying them though. They are still behind, but they are catching up.

They have been "catching up" for the past 20 years.


China is producing 7nm chips and working on 5nm. The lead has shrunk to be almost insignificant.

People on internet forums are obsessed over "bleeding edge" fabs, when the vast majority of semiconductor products are designed for a specific process and kept in production for at least a decade.

If beating Taiwan is your definition of "catching up", then you're basically making China's status as a legitimate semiconductor manufacturer contingent on the obsolescence of everyone else's status. That's not very fair and it's not even something to brag about. Once you lose the grin, it would be game over for you.


First what would that be? Second you can't sustain an entire country on one company

It’s a model to copy. Ie move higher up the innovation chain.

That's what we've been doing for a long time. But that's not possible with today's China anymore. They are as innovative as the rest, if not more so.

For that you also need to reduce the bureaucracy.



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