Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

Mother Theresa once said that when she looked upon the many she could do nothing, but when she focused on the one, she could do something.

The same applies here. Someone needs to be held accountable. Change needs to start somewhere.



I'm not sure Mother Theresa is a good example for anything, but regarding the general argument you are making here:

There is a huge difference between helping one person (decreasing the general suffering by a tiny but attainable amount) and making one person an example (hoping this changes the status quo somehow).


I don't think anyone wants to make Ortiz an "example".

Ortiz literally did not do her job. She over-prosecuted a case, apparently for personal advancement and DoJ-vendetta seeking, that was worth no more than a misdemeanor at best.

Sure, it's a problem that "the system" allowed her to do so. But it's also a problem that she abused the system, destroyed a life, shows no remorse, and will likely continue to abuse the system if not removed from office.


Totally agree. At the very least, she should fired, but definitely not in the name of revenge and not to make an example, but because she didn't do her job. Making an example of someone implies over prosecuting someone in order to discourage others. In some industries, certain acts bar you from working in that industry again forever. Lawyers can be disbarred. Doctors and other licensed professionals can lose their license to practice. The same should happen to any and every prosecutor that abuses their power for personal gain. Removing people for violating the responsibilities entrusted to them isn't "making an example", but simply removing any and all that shouldn't be practicing in a certain professional area because they don't adhere to the ethical standards of their position.

However, an investigation is merited to determine if Ortiz and Heynmann were willfully negligant in applying their tactics. The same way we hold other individuals accountable for harm caused by bullying, she may merit the same. My gut tells me that an investigation and possible trial would exonerate her of any criminal wrongdoing (unless some other over-zealous prosecutor treated her as she treated Aaron), but would leave her open to a civil lawsuit, which she probably deserves


The system didn't just allow her to do it, it encouraged her to do it. And not just her, but probably many others in positions like hers.


apparently for personal advancement and DoJ-vendetta seeking

What's the evidence for that?


I was referring to her strategy, and how she learned to make positive change.


Mother Theresa let people die slow, horrible and unnecessary deaths. You should never use that person as a good example for anything really. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa#Criticism


> Mother Theresa let people die slow, horrible and unnecessary deaths

Instead to, err... dispacht them quick and efficiently?


Instead of treating their illness and making them not die.


Of course, well, but we are missing the point here.

To care for all indian citizens and to treat its health problems (if possible) was not the duty of this woman.

It is the duty of the indian government. The duty of the Republic of India and of all the hindi people.

Yes, I agree that having a team of volunteers "cleaning the streets" and hiding ugly pictures is very "convenient" and is not solving the real problem here: that this man, woman or child will die in a street and the government will not cares about this, probably because this human is tagged as "low chast" and "less human than me".

To charge a single NGO with the whole health system of more than a 1,2 millions of people seems not fair. Even if this NGO receives money for trying to help poor people.

I don't want to speak for this NGO, but I think that the game here is probably more about educate the hindi people that this situation is not right, than to save today a relatively few lives just to see how they die tomorrow victims of a unfair structure that tags people as first class, second class,... disposable. And, yes, you need some money to maintain this structure. The Mother Teresa NGO don't need to open hospitals, the Red Cross do this, Medicus mundi do this.

We should not blame a single woman for not doing the work of a system that rejects to treat and save a human people that can be saved. We should blame either the indian government, or if you prefer, the whole (lack of) humanity for this.


I think you misunderstood me. I did not mean to blame her for things she did not do in such a big sense, I meant her actions of neglect and letting people suffer who were her direct patients.


Errata: of course are "more than 1200 millions" instead "more than 1.2 millions of people"


Huh... That seems to have been removed!


Link to a random version that has it. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mother_Teresa&... and then the 5th paragraph onwards.


Someone needs to be held accountable. Ortiz is someone. Therefore...


What, you have someone else in mind? Or maybe she's just an innocent victim here, a well-meaning prosecutor working for justice, who just had the bad luck to lay charges against a popular but suicidal trouble maker and is now being scapegoated?


Oritz is not just someone. Oritz is who had control over the matters and held the decision power in the matter. She's not a random bystander.


Accountable for what exactly?




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: